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I am not a novice player. I have played on several platforms, so I recognize the patterns exactly.

Millioner / Crownplay / Robocat / Wildrobin and their associated network use background processes that players never see - and that is exactly why they are dangerous.

. The immediate "C-category" status after registration is not a myth: It:

results in a reduced return rate,

lower volatility,

minimal winning patterns,

and practically zero jackpot or high multiplier chances.

The problem is not only that it exists.

The problem is that the player is NEVER informed about it.

The "kindness" of free spins is just a lure

20 free spins - with a 1 euro win?

This is completely consistent with a preset, limited account.

The most typical signs:

every spin throws a small prize of a cent,

never activates a bonus,

the same fixed minimum amount comes out,

the result of the 20th spin is displayed in a pop-up window before the spin (which would be technically impossible with a fair RNG).

This is not "bad luck".

This is a sign of a limited category.

🔥 3. Telephone bonus offer? A real, licensed casino NEVER does this

I was lucky enough to find a casino that offered a 200% bonus over the phone.

A fair provider with an MGA or EU license:

does not call players,

does not push aggressive bonuses,

does not try to withdraw limited profiles.

This method is a feature of the alternative Curacao chain.

🔥 4. Opaque data sharing in the background

The most worrying thing:

if you have played on another platform under the same provider, these casinos automatically know about it – and immediately restrict you.

The player is not informed about this.

This raises:

GDPR data management issues,

transparency issues,

and license compatibility concerns.

🔥 5. Bonus offers are actually part of wagering traps

200%, 300%… it’s all the same.

Due to the wagering requirements:

the player has a mathematically 0% chance of withdrawing,

while their losses are the highest possible,

and due to the account category, no high multipliers can even come in.

This is not a promotion.

This is a business model.

❗ The problem is not with losing – it’s with hidden restrictions

The player has the right to know:

what category he is in,

what odds he is playing with,

what conditions his profile works under,

and why he can’t get any normal winnings.

The problem is the complete lack of transparency.

⭐ My message to players

If you get a new bonus offer, especially over the phone:

think twice.

If you have already played on several platforms under the same provider:

it is almost certain that you are on a limited account.

And yes:

That’s why you are not winning.

⭐ My message to the casino

I don’t want the 200% bonus.

If it is really that beneficial, you should pay it in – that would also be income.

Hi, interesting points you mentioned. 

I would say that if, according to you, a casino can limit various things in the background, I don't think so at all. Lowering RTP or volatility and the like is simply not as easy as players may think. Especially when the casino has games from a provider and not some fake ones. 

As for bonuses or FS, it's clear that they are often used to attract players to play. I don't know what the difference is between sending someone a text, email, or whatever. I have never encountered anyone being contacted by phone, I mean a call, and you yourself write that you were lucky enough to find such a casino, so this is probably minimal nowadays.

Data sharing is normal today and is nothing unusual, especially when it comes to a single group of casinos. However, I don't know on what basis they would restrict you. If for example a player abused something in one casino from the group, then it could happen that they could restrict him if he wants to open an account in another casino from the group. In any case, it's true that the casino doesn't have to want you as a customer and doesn't have to tell you anything about it.

As for bonuses in general, players don't have to accept them. I would always read everything that is written about them, because that is where problems often arise. If the wagering requirement is high, the player does not have to play with them. In my opinion, not every bonus is advantageous.

Thanks for your points and I hope you do well. 

Have a nice day.🙂

Thank you for your reply.

Please allow me to clarify a few technical points, because several statements you made are factually incorrect or incomplete from an industry perspective.                1.RTP can be adjusted — by choosing different RTP versions provided by the game suppliers.    It is not universal, but many providers officially release multiple RTP variants of the same gameDocumented examples:

Pragmatic Play → 96%, 95%, 94%, 92%, 88%, 86%

Playson → 96%, 94%, 91%

BGaming → 97% down to 80%

Booongo → 96%, 95%, 92%

KA Gaming → 98%–85%

Spinomenal → 96%, 95%, 93%, 88%

These are provider-made RTP builds, and casinos simply choose which version to run.

So the claim that "RTP cannot really be controlled" is not accurate.

It is a very common, documented, and widely known industry practice.

2. Volatility is fixed — but session outcome is still influenced through backend controls

Casinos and aggregators cannot change the math of a licensed game, but they can influence the session outcome using:

session seeds (predefined sequences)

pre-generated spin packages

risk-engine payout limits

behavioral scoring

volatility simulation on the aggregator level

player segmentation models

This is why the same game, with the same bet size, can behave drastically differently for two players.

This is not "luck".

This is segmentation.

3. Player profiling is real — and widely used

Modern risk engines assign profiles such as:

bonus abuse score

value score

predicted negative EV

RTP-segmented groups

duplicated-account risk

high-risk FD or cashback patterns

C-profile / low-trust profile (name varies, but the logic is industry standard)

These are automatic, real-time systems.

Human intervention is minimal.

So yes: a player can be restricted without doing anything "wrong".

Just falling into a specific behavioral category is enough.

4. Cross-casino data sharing absolutely causes restrictions

You mentioned you don’t know why a casino group would restrict someone.

Here are the standard triggers:

using bonuses on multiple casinos within the same group

certain predictable play patterns

repeated low-value deposits

many free spins used across brands

no withdrawals across multiple sessions

aggressive RTP test-pattern play

device/IP matches with other accounts

identical gameplay fingerprint compared to known bonus hunters

These are automatically shared across the group.

The player is never notified.

5. Phone calls from casinos are a known tactic in low-license operators

You mentioned it is rare.

It is rare only among high-tier licensed casinos.

Curacao sub-license operators still use:

phone onboarding

bonus push-calls

VIP activation calls

re-deposit calls

This is not "luck".

This is a known strategy used by weaker operators to increase LTV.

6. Bonuses are optional — but the profiling based on bonus usage is not

Even if a player doesn’t want to take bonuses, the casino often:

drops surprise bonuses

sends automatic free spins

sends "engagement rewards"

sends daily login bonuses

These automatically trigger the risk-engine and profile changes.

Many players get placed into a low-value segment without realizing it.

Conclusion (polite but firm)

Thank you again for your response.

I respect your view, but the current iGaming ecosystem does use:

RTP segmentation

group-wide player profiling

automated classification

backend risk engines

pre-generated spin batches

cross-brand behavioural scoring

These mechanisms are real, documented, and affect thousands of players — especially in Curacao-licensed environments.

I’m not here to argue, only to share factual industry-level information supported by data, logs, and gameplay evidence.

Wishing you a great day and all the best

Yes, it is true that with some providers, casinos can choose different versions of RTP, but they choose this when they purchase slots from them. They cannot change it as and when they want, which is quite important. If a casino does not display the RTP for slots, or if their support team does not know the specific RTP of a slot when I ask, I would not play at that casino. Certainly not if they had any slots below 92% RTP, for example. That would be very low for me.

Also when it comes to some points you mentioned I see it like this:

• "Session seeds / predefined sequences"

Slots do use seeds but:

They are created by the RNG automatically.

They do not allow casinos to predetermine your wins/losses.

Regulators require that outcomes are unpredictable and not fixed in advance.

So true concept, but the claim is wrong.

• "Pre-generated spin packages"

Sometimes RNGs generate a sequence of random numbers ahead of time for efficiency, but: Casinos cannot see them. Casinos cannot assign sequences to specific players to control outcomes. This is a misunderstanding of how RNG batching works.

• "Risk-engine payout limits"

True, but kind of misleading:

Operators do limit exposure (e.g., max win per bonus round). But they cannot override the RNG of a certified game. They can refuse to accept a bet over a certain size, or block features temporarily. This is about liability management, not outcome manipulation.

• "Behavioral scoring / segmentation"

Yes, casinos do segmentation but: To adjust bonuses, marketing, limits, RG interventions. NOT to decide whether you win or lose. Segmentation affects the offers you get, not the mathematical outcome of spins.

• "Volatility simulation on aggregator level"

Regulated aggregators cannot alter volatility of a certified game.

Some markets allow "game variants" (e.g., 94% RTP version), but each version is separately certified and cannot be changed on the fly.

The bottom line is that-

➡️ In regulated jurisdictions: Casinos cannot influence spin outcomes. RNG and game math are fixed and independently certified.

➡️ In unregulated / offshore markets: Controls can be abused because enforcement is weak. But even there, most game providers still use standard RNG engines.

As for your next point, I would say that it may end up on some kind of "list" and be restricted, but I think that in 99% of cases there is always a reason for this. If someone abuses anything in a casino, it's normal for this to happen.

What you say next is true, I agree with that. What I meant was that casinos usually have a reason for restricting players. It rarely happens without reason, and the data is definitely important for casinos if they want to protect themselves from someone who abuses the system.

Regarding the calls, I've rarely heard this from players, so it caught my attention. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm surprised and personally, it would bother me a lot.

I also thank you for your opinion. Not everyday I have this kind of conversation. Sharing you thoughts is really good. We can compare or talk in normal manner about experiences or views.

So it was good to hear from you and I wish you again a pleasant day. 🙂

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. I truly appreciate the professional tone and the transparency you bring to this discussion — it’s honestly rare to have an open conversation like this.

I agree with several points you mentioned, especially regarding regulated markets, certified RNG, and the basic limitations of what casinos can or cannot modify on their own. These are important clarifications.

However, I would like to share my perspective based on real, repeated player experience, especially in offshore and loosely regulated environments, because this is where things often diverge from the theoretical standards:

• Regarding RTP versions:

I understand that casinos choose RTP variants at the time of purchase. The issue I’ve personally seen is that many offshore sites do not display RTP, support often cannot answer, and some providers offer extremely low versions (sometimes even below 90%). This creates a huge transparency gap for players.

• About seeds and RNG batching:

I agree these mechanisms are not designed for manipulation.

But players often misunderstand why outcomes can feel patterned or "session-based", especially when switching devices, IP addresses, or payment methods.

This doesn’t mean manipulation — but it absolutely creates the perception, because many offshore casinos provide zero regulatory oversight, no testing certificates, and no published game versions.

• Behavioral segmentation:

I fully agree casinos use segmentation mainly for bonuses, limits, marketing, and responsible gambling processes.

Still, the player’s experience is that being moved into certain categories (especially "risk profiles") directly correlates with significantly worse outcomes.

Even if this is coincidence or misunderstanding, the reality is:

➡️ Players feel punished for normal behavior,

➡️ And casinos communicate none of this clearly.

• Offshore markets vs regulated markets:

This is exactly my main point.

In regulated jurisdictions, the system works.

But most issues players complain about (including myself) happen outside of regulated environments, where:

– The casino is the operator,

– The casino is the regulator,

– The casino is the judge of disputes,

– And often the casino also controls the aggregator.

In these cases, even if providers use standard RNG engines, enforcement is weak, and players have no transparency, no reports, and no meaningful dispute mechanism.

• About players being put on "lists" or restricted:

I understand there are legitimate reasons for restrictions.

But in many offshore casinos, restrictions come without explanation, without evidence, and without any accessible dispute review.

This is why many players feel the system is one-sided.

⭐ Overall:

I truly appreciate your explanations — they help clarify the theoretical side.

But I hope you can also understand the practical player-side reality, where lack of transparency, offshore licensing, and poor communication create a very different experience than what "certified RNG" means on paper.

Thank you again for taking the conversation seriously.

It’s rare, and I respect it.

I wish you a great day as well. 🙂

I completely agree with regard to RTP. I don't know if I mentioned it, but I probably wouldn't play at a casino like that. Especially if it wasn't licensed. Casinos should display this information; that would be best, even though I know it's not standard practice and doesn't happen in every casino. So, those that don't display it and don't want to say anything about it may have a lower RTP than players think. 

You're absolutely right, the perception of patterning is what causes most of the distrust, even when there is no actual manipulation. And in unregulated or lightly regulated offshore environments, that perception becomes almost inevitable.

Next, casinos do segment players, but mainly for marketing, bonus eligibility, limits, and responsible-gambling flags. However, from the player’s perspective, being placed in certain behavioral or "risk" categories often feels like it directly affects game outcomes.

Even if segmentation has zero connection to the RNG, the experience is still:

➡️ Players feel punished for perfectly normal behavior,

➡️ And casinos explain none of this, leaving them to assume the worst.

So the issue isn’t manipulation, it’s poor transparency, which creates a perception of cause-and-effect where none actually exists.

As far as offshore casinos are concerned, yes, it is always important to play at casinos that are regulated and licensed. There is a greater chance that players will be able to turn to someone, or an authority, if something happens that is contrary to the rules, terms, or if the casino behaves dishonestly.

However, many players try new casinos about which they have no information and then encounter a lot of problems. Today, we live in an age where information can be found with just a few clicks. If this is not possible for a particular casino, or if only limited information is available, then it is worth considering whether it is suitable for deposits. 

Regarding restrictions, keep in mind that this can also happen in regular casinos. I don't have statistics on how often this happens in regular and offshore casinos, but I've encountered it many times. The thing is that many casinos cannot or do not want to share information that could harm them in any way. So they try to protect themselves in some way and rarely explain to players exactly why they have imposed certain restrictions. Of course, it is necessary to distinguish whether this is fair on the part of the casino in every case, which I certainly do not think it is, but there are also many players who abuse the system as soon as they find out what they have done wrong. 

Of course, the points you mentioned are not bad at all, and I understand the player's perspective. Without that, it would be difficult, and I certainly don't try to take the casino's side when it's simply not appropriate and there is a lot of evidence against them. 

That's why we have the Resolution Complaint Center.

So we always try to help players in need, no matter what happens.

I also thank you for your input. 🙂