Betmaster Casino - 일반 토론 (7 페이지)

You are seeing that the KYC verification process is complete, I am giving you proof, I don't know which second account you are talking about, why didn't betmaster give me that information? Why do they keep even my deposit? It is because casino guru is affiliated with them, while users lose more money they do well, just look at how many complaints they have on their website, the evidence is overwhelming in my favor, they are scamming, this company is a scam, now I I have to know the patterns and strategies with which each user plays so as not to copy them and there is no suspicion hahahaha it's ridiculous!!! Give me the information that betmaster gave you if it is conclusive.

Estás viendo que el proceso de verificación KYC se conpleto, te estoy dando pruebas, no se que segunda cuenta hablas, porque betmaster no me dio esa información? Porque hasta mi depósito se quedan? Es porque casino gurú es afiliado a ellos, mientras los usuarios mas dinero pierden ustedes les va bien, basta con ver cuantas quejas tiene en su sitio web, las pruebas son contundentes a mi favor, están estafando, esta empresa es una estafa, ahora yo tengo que saber los patrones y estrategias con las que juegan cada usuario para no copiarlas y no haya sospecha jajajaja es ridiculo !!! Dame la información que te proporcionó betmaster si es que es contunde.

Hi I understand your frustration, but as I wrote, everything has been adequately explained in your unjustified complaint. I have also consulted Branislav on this case, who has given you, I think, a detailed explanation and what is more your case was even related to sports betting, which we do not deal with as we do not have experts in this field.  

As far as information of this type is concerned, we cannot share it, which is why I recommended you to contact the licensing authority. I hope I have made that clear as well. 

As for 'gambling authority' - I hope it's fine with Mexican betmaster site. Not so good with Russian one.

That's exactly the answer I got from Gambling Curacao:

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We are not sure you have the correct company. 

Betmaster.com for which betmaster31.com is licensed by Malta. 

Our Licensee Rozert N.V. has the domain betmaster.io which is different. 

Please clarify how you associated Rozert N.V. with this complaint. 

Regards, 

Gaming-Curacao.com

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Unfortunatly all my requests are strictly ignored by betmaster and casino.guru. I would like anyone to clarify what to do next in this situation.

betmaster31.com is not for Betmaster.com and is not under MGA

Yes I understand this. By the way they changed already .io to .bet (so actual site on the Curacao license is www.betmaster.bet now). Looks like they hiding the steps. I can send request to Gambling Curacao to betmaster.bet or betmaster.io whatever but I ask them (betmaster) just to confirm this is correct way. And what I get in responce? Dead silence for weeks.

I appreciate your point of view, but there is no official answer from representatives.

I will try, but they have their MGA branch at askgamlers. Malta, not Curacao. Curacao branch is here. But will give it a try anyway.

By the way this is vague answer of their online chat support:

- Hello, where can I see your casino license number and validator logo?

- Betmaster is a global brand and operates on the basis of our Terms and Conditions (T&C) available on our website. As the jurisdictions update and change their regulations constantly and our brand is constantly in the process of acquiring new licenses, we do not publish any lists of jurisdictions in where we operate or where our services can be used. Furthermore, in different jurisdictions, we offer different services due to differences in the regulatory framework and the game provider license terms.

- clause 1.2 states 'The Company's activity is regulated by Curaçao eGaming, your T&C says you have CEG license, how to check?'

- Kindly refer to our previous response. Thank you.

It's incredible what this casino does, it's hilarious, I don't know how to steal from users, it attracts them with very high bonus promotions and then retains money and puts up many obstacles, casino guru is operating with it since they agree his side completely, more than 120 complaints and counting on his blog and still it is not something to open your eyes. BETMASTER TOTAL SCAM!!

es que es increíble lo que este casino hace, es de risa, no se como ópera robando a los usuarios, los atrae con promociones de bonos muy altos para después retener dinero y poner muchos obstáculos, gurú casino está operando con ello puesto que están de su lado completamente, más de 120 quejas y contando en su blog y aún así no es para que abran los ojos. BETMASTER ESTAFA TOTAL !!

I'd love to clarify, but for that, we need a solid starting point. I asked the Data Team again. I know it is not much, but I aim to update you once I get something to share. As you may see, you are also getting nowhere, and I fear we have reached the same position.

I'll get back to you, just for now my hands are still empty. 🙁

This is actually how it works. To show "proper" licenses to specific countries, the casino creates a mirror page or a separate one that should show the validator or the license information only to the selected market. But it does not mean the "website" is licensed there under the URL shown. I believe this is currently a part of the problem. 🙁

If I may say so, it does not solve the main question: to what authority should the players turn?

If other websites can squeeze this information from the casino directly, I would call that a miracle! But I appreciate your suggestion - if only we had some concrete answers.

Well, yes. That's why I asked to reopen the complaint and clarify from Betmaster. That's easy and most logical. Askgamblers send me to MGA directly but this absolutely way to 'nowhere'.

www.betmaster.com and www.betmaster31.com have nothing in common except the same 'global brand' - betmaster.

Well all I need them to offcially say: 'Your account was registered by Rozert N.V. company working under the laws of Curacao by license of Gambling Curacao. Kindly send your request to Rozert N.V., www.betmaster.bet'. What is the problem to clarify this from representative officially? If it's ok with this casino they have already done it.

PS. Some web-sites reffer to company named Reinvent N.V. licensee of Curacao eGambling 1668/JAZ in reagrds to betmaster and sister casinos like casinoin and some other. That slightly corresponds to T&C published at www.betmaster31.com

But it seems this is abandoned fake site (nonetheless provided by guru) and abandoned company means the money has been just stolen.

PPS. Still waiting Anrej and Matej to reply my emails dated 11 Sep 2023 and 15 Sep 2023. Well at least provide some respect and confirm something is on the way there.

The problem is that responding to the complaint is strictly benevolent for the casino representatives. I would guess we just do not have the information either. Well, I know this is hard, but there is nothing I can add at this point.

As you said, AG pointed you to Malta - I admit that, honestly, I don't know where we should point you out now.

At least, I will forward a reminder to Andrej and Matěj.

They are the same company, they keep changing logins. unfortunately you were scammed by them, don't use any of their companies,

Eles são a mesma empresa ,ficam trocando de loguin ,. infelizmente voce tomou golpe deles ,não use nenhuma empresa deles,

I'm sorry, I do not understand the writing shown on the printscreen. Could you write down what it says for me, please?🤔

Suporte.br@betmaster.io

Betmaster.io and the same URL as betmaster .com it directs, they make several websites with several logins and several support emails, then it only directs the URLs.

Suporte.br@betmaster.io

Betmaster.io e o mesmo URL da betmaster .com ele direciona ,eles fazem vários sites com vários loguins e vários emails de suporte,depois só direciona as URL.

Hm in that case I would probably be really careful and be very cautious. It's certainly not nice to have to deal with something like that and I'd think twice about taking the risk. Did you just notice the URL by accident or did you watch it on purpose ? 

I'm researching all their URLs, they created several domains, but only one is legally registered, so if someone registers on another domain they won't have anyone to turn to, it's like Blaze who created several subdomains, here in Brazil because it's banned, and the main Domain has been blocked.

Eu estou pesquisando todos URL deles ,fizeram vários domínios ,mas somente um está registrado legalmente,então se alguém se registrar em Outro domínio não vai ter a quem recorrer,está igual a Blaze que fez vários subdominios ,aqui no Brazil pois está proibida ,e foi bloqueado o Domínio principal.

Of course I understand. In that case, we're sure glad you came up with it, because other players can see what you've discovered and hopefully it will help them not to get caught. So thank you and whatever you find again, you can let us know. It's worth at least looking into, as you can never be too careful. 🙂

Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for confirmation from the casino's side on my account handling. Andrej in his last email message dated 27th September hopped for 'few business days' casino to answer but now it seems 2 business weeks have gone since that time. I just need very simple confirmation from the casino that my account was handled by Rozert N.V. and Rozert N.V. is the appropriate defendant for this case. I just don't understand why it takes so long. Especially if the casino is within their legal rights. This is not urgent but shall not take months. Abnormal..

Don't you find their behavior irregular and against fair play? I think it's time for Guru to make a statement and review the case. Please clarify the current state.

Hello.

I would say I have explained how it works with licenses a few times already. We rely on the licensing authority to confirm its validity. When it comes to owners, this is a very tricky part. In some cases, we simply do not know the owner at all.

But sadly, it does not change the outcome of your complaint, saying:

"I can confirm that there’s sufficient evidence proving that you have intentionally tried to gain an unfair advantage in a way that constitutes a serious violation of the casino’s Terms and Conditions."

The casino must answer your question in the first place. I'm sorry they don't care.

Well, I also emphasied few times as I don't ask you to change your decision. This case will go via a legal way. All I ask you is to confirm casino 'identity'. The link to fake site was provided by Casino Guru. And yet one more question - WHO provided the so-called 'sufficient evidence'? Why casino hiding? They will provide their 'sufficient evidence' in Curacao curt with no problem. Just I need the the name of appropriate defendand. Why you haven't changed the link and still direct players to this fake site with no warning?

As per Andrej's answer his waiting 'for the casino team to provide a statement'. Absolutely rediculous that casino refuse to provide Curacao company name for few months. Don't you have to provide any warning to players? Or, sorry, You don't care either..