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Signed up about a week ago. Made about 5 deposits during this time for more than UAH 7,000. They gave a bonus for the first deposit. Lost Then a deposit bonus was imposed in the chat. Refilled it. Lost everything. Then some other bonus was given in the telegram for the deposit. Lost everything again. A bonus on Instagram also arrived today, I replenished it. Lost bonus and deposit.

Then simply topped up without bonuses. Almost lost too, but then won 5000 hryvnias.

I ordered for payment and after 20 minutes the account was blocked and the money was not paid!!

The account has been blocked for violation of the User Agreement, namely 4.1.8.5. and 4.5.15.

What actions have I taken that violate these rules? I require a detailed explanation, not a citation of the rules.

The Law of Ukraine "On State Regulation of Activities Regarding the Organization and Conduct of Gambling Games"

RIGHTS, OBLIGATIONS OF THE ORGANIZER

In its activities, the Gambling Organizer is obliged to:

- provide the player with a well-founded suspicion in writing or in electronic form, stating the facts regarding such suspicion within one day from the moment of discovery of this suspicion

3. Rights and obligations of the Organizer of gambling games

3.1.14. Provide the player with a well-founded suspicion in writing or in electronic form, stating the facts regarding such suspicion within one day from the moment of discovery of this suspicion;

The Law of Ukraine "On State Regulation of Activities Regarding the Organization and Conduct of Gambling Games" and the User Agreement state that you must provide the facts of the violation of the rules, and not provide the rules that I violated.

Waiting for the facts when I broke the rules. Because I didn't break anything.

And your support cannot provide. Yes, it says that the system automatically blocked, then the specialist blocked.

I don't understand how I broke the rules if I lost money! This is absurd! You must be wrong, fix the mistake and pay my money!!

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 Зареєструвався близько тижня тому. Зробив близько 5 депозитів за цей час на понад 7000 грн. Дали бонус за перший депозит. Програв. Потім у чаті нав'язали ще бонус за депозит. Поповнив його. Програв усе. Потім якийсь ще бонус у телеграмі дали за депозит. Знову все програв. Сьогодні теж прийшов бонус в Інстаграмі, поповнив. Програв бонус і депозит. 

 Потім поповнив просто без бонусів. Майже теж програв, але потім виграв 5000грн. 

Замовив на виплату та через 20 хв аккаунт заблаковано та гроші не виплатили!!

  Акаунт заблоковано за порушення пунктів правил Користувацької угоди, а саме 4.1.8.5. та 4.5.15.

  Які дії я вчинив, що порушують ці пункти правил? Вимагаю детального пояснення, а не цитування правил.

  Закон України «Про державне регулювання діяльності щодо організації та проведення азартних ігор»

ПРАВА, ОБОВ’ЯЗКИ ОРГАНІЗАТОРА

У своїй діяльності Організатор азартних ігор зобов'язаний:

- надати гравцю письмово або в електронній формі обґрунтовану підозру, з наведенням фактів щодо такої підозри протягом однієї доби з моменту виявлення даної підозри

 3. Права та обов’язки Організатора азартних ігор

3.1.14. Надати гравцю письмово або в електронній формі обґрунтовану підозру, з наведенням фактів щодо такої підозри протягом однієї доби з моменту виявлення даної підозри;

  В Законі України «Про державне регулювання діяльності щодо організації та проведення азартних ігор» та в Користувацкій Угоді сказано, що ви повинні надати факти порушення правил, а не надання правил які я порушив. 

  Чекаю надання фактів, коли я порушив правила. Бо я нічого не порушував.

А ваша підтримка не може надати. Та, то каже, що система автоматично заблокувала, то спеціаліст заблокував. 

 Я не розумію як я порушив правила, якщо я програвав гроші! Це абсурд! Ви напевно помилились, виправіть помилку та заплатіть мої гроші!!

Dear adamweber13,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely. 

• Could you please advise if you’ve completed the account verification successfully? 
• Which games you’ve been playing (live casino games, slots, or sports betting)? 
• If there’s any relevant communication, please forward it to petronela.k@casino.guru. 

I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.

Best regards,

Petronela

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Hello!

The test was passed immediately, since without it you cannot play.

Played slots (slot machines)

Здравствуйте!

Проверка пройдена сразу, так как без нее нельзя играть.

Играл в слоты(игровые автоматы)

Hi adamweber13,

We will contact the casino and ask for supporting evidence, but, before we do so, could you please advise if, to the best of your knowledge, there’s a possibility that someone else from your family members or neighbors has opened an account from the same IP address or device as yours or using your email address?

Thank you in advance for your reply.

Hello.

The probability approaches zero. Those. does not exist.

They are starting to come up with this.

What was the problem was to write to me this reason on the first day, and not wait almost 2 weeks. I wrote to them every day, both in chat, and by email, and in the general Telegram group. No one could clearly provide the facts. They just copied 2 points of the rules to me and that’s it.

They write:

in terms of multi-accounting, that is, creating several accounts under one name

But this is impossible, so I went through verification using the Diya application (these are electronic documents). It provides my data, which I cannot change, so re-verification is not possible. They're just lying. I wrote to them about this, but there was no response from them. I also wrote a complaint to CRAIL (Gaming and Lotteries Regulatory Commission). Waiting for an answer.

Привет.

Вероятность стремится к нулю. Т.е. не существует.

Это они начинают придумывать.

В чем проблема была написать мне эту причину в первый же день, а не ждать почти 2 недели. Я им писал ежедневно и в чат, и на емейл, и в общую группу Телеграмма. Никто внятно не мог предоставить факты. Только копировали мне 2 пункта правил и всё.

Они пишут:

в части мультиаккаунтинга, то есть создание нескольких аккаунтов на одно имя

Но это невозможно, так я проходил верификацию с помощью приложения Дия(это электронные документы). Оно предоставляет мои данные, которые я не могу изменить, поэтому повторная верификация не возможна. Они просто лгут. Я им написал об этом, но ответа от них нет. Я так же написал жалобу в КРАИЛ(комиссия регулирования азартных игр и лотерей). Жду ответа.

There was simply irrefutable evidence that Pin-up blocked the account and misappropriated my money unreasonably (they are simply lying).

In the email on the left they write that there is a duplicate with account ID 2545 3338, which by serial number was created earlier than mine 2549 7430.

The email on the right already claims that the duplicate was created later than my account, which is why the system blocked it. Those. They contradict themselves, which proves their lies and desire not to pay my winnings. Thank you!

Появились просто неопровержимые доказательства того, что Pin-up заблокировал аккаунт и присвоил мои деньги необоснованно(попросту лгут).

В эмейле слева пишут, что дубликат с аккаунтом ID 2545 3338, который по порядковому номеру раньше создан чем мой 2549 7430.

В эмейле справа уже утверждают, что дубликат был создан позже чем моегой аккаунта, поэтому система и заблокировала. Т.е. противоречят сами себе, что доказывает их ложь и желанием не платить мой выиграш. Спасибор!

Thank you very much, adamweber13, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Branislav (branislav.b@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.  

Hello, adamweber13,

I am sorry to hear about your trouble. I will contact the casino and try my best to resolve the issue as soon as possible. Now I would like to invite the casino representative to join this conversation and participate in the resolution of this complaint.

Dear Pin-Up Casino UA team,

Could you please provide us with an explanation of the player's situation in more detail?

If we are talking about a breach of the casino's Terms and Conditions, feel free to send the necessary evidence to my email address (branislav.b@casino.guru).

Thank you in advance for providing the information.

Hello, Branislav.

We have sent you an email with evidence of the violations.

Congratulations, adamweber13.

We have provided the forum administration with evidence of a violation of the terms of the user agreement.

Our company has blocked your account because you used it to receive relevant bonuses or abuse loyalty programs, and another account was found that you used, which violated rule 4.1.8.5.

Hello, Branislav.

We have sent you an email with evidence of the violations.

Вітаємо, adamweber13.

Ми надали адміністрації форуму докази порушення правил користувацької угоди.

Наша компанія заблокувала Ваш акаунт за те, що Ви використовували його для отримання відповідних бонусів або зловживання програмами лояльності, а також було знайдено ще один акаунт, яким Ви користувались, чим було порушено правило 4.1.8.5.

Thank you for your email and the provided information, Pin-Up Casino Team.

Dear adamweber13,

I requested additional details from the casino outside of the thread, and I am waiting for their response. For now, it looks like you used more than one account at the casino.

Can you please provide me with the information on what type of payment method you used for deposits to the casino and its details? (for example, if it was a bank card, it is enough to provide the last 4 numbers of the card number)

Can you explain how it is possible that some of your personal or payment method details were used in another casino account, similarities in the style of play and the games themselves, and what was the purpose of using more than 1 account at the casino?

Congratulations, Pin-Up Casino UA, on blocking your accounts containing UAH 2.290 billion. on the basis of Part 3 of Art. 23 of the Law of Ukraine. These are the ones that told me every time that they are an honest casino and do not deceive people!

This is already happening to you on such a massive scale that all law enforcement agencies have already taken care of you.

It’s a pity that, against the background of this, you may disappear, including with my money.

We provided the forum administration with evidence of violation of the terms of the user agreement.

Why didn’t you present them to me, as required by the law, as well as your rules??

Поздравляю, Pin-Up Casino UA, с блокировкой ваших счетов на которых 2.290 млрд. грн. на основании ч. 3 ст. 23 Закона Украины. Это те, которые мне каждый раз заявляли, что они честное казино и не обманывает людей!

У вас настолько уже массово это происходит, что уже все правоохранительные органы взялись за вас.

Жаль, что возможно, на фоне этого, вы исчезнете и в том числе с моими деньгами.

Мы предоставили администрации форума доказательства нарушения условий пользовательского соглашения.

Почему же вы мне их не представили, как требует того закон, а также ваши правила??

Dear adamweber13,

No, unfortunately, you only lost a few days by providing irrelevant and misleading information instead of trying to get and provide the requested. Fortunately, Sportbank will stop working on May 6, 2024, which means it is still up and working, so your account is still active, Sportbank Customer Support is available as well, and you still have the opportunity to look it up until May 6. If you have a problem with accessing your Sportbank account, please visit their website and use one of the contacts stated there for help. Somehow, you forgot to share the complete announcement.

I hope it is clear now, so I will repeat my questions above once again and wait for the requested details regarding the payment method.

"Can you please provide me with the information on what type of payment method you used for deposits to the casino and its details? (for example, if it was a bank card, it is enough to provide the last 4 numbers of the card number)

Can you explain how it is possible that some of your personal or payment method details were used in another casino account, similarities in the style of play and the games themselves, and what was the purpose of using more than 1 account at the casino?"

I would highly appreciate it if you could also provide me with a bank statement confirming your deposits made to the casino with all the necessary details, such as the payment method details, details of the transactions with the information about the receiver, and your personal details.

We cannot move anywhere without the requested details and/or documents. The casinos are not the only ones who are obliged to provide us with details and evidence, and it is definitely not enough if you only claim something, without any relevant supporting evidence. It does not work like this.

Please note that in case you fail to provide the requested details, the complaint will be rejected due to non-cooperation and providing misleading information during the complaint resolution process.

Thank you for understanding. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Hello, Branislav .

Following your recommendations, I received the statement you requested and sent you an email.

Dear Pin-Up Casino UA team!

We provided the forum administration with evidence of violation of the terms of the user agreement.

Why don't you provide me with this "evidence"? I've been asking for them from you for a month now!

• 3. Rights and obligations of the Gambling Organizer
• 3.1.14. Provide the player with reasonable suspicion, in writing or electronically, setting out the facts surrounding such suspicion, within one day of discovery of the suspicion;

Здравствуйте, Branislav.

Следуя Вашим рекоммендациям, я получил выписку, которую Вы просили и отправил вам электронное письмо.

Уважаемая команда Pin-Up Casino UA !

Мы предоставили администрации форума доказательства нарушения условий пользовательского соглашения.

Почему Вы не предостовляете мне эти "доказательства"? Я запрашиваю их у Вас уже месяц!

• 3. Права и обязанности Организатора азартных игр
• 3.1.14. Предоставить игроку в письменной или электронной форме обоснованное подозрение с изложением фактов, касающихся такого подозрения, в течение одного дня с момента обнаружения подозрения;

Automatic translation changes the meaning greatly. I hope you understand what I mean.

Автоматический перевод очень сильно меняет смысл. Надеюсь вы поймёте, что я имею ввиду.

Dear adamweber13,

"What is the schematic use of bonuses?" - Since it is allowed to use only 1 bonus per player/account, as well as only to have 1 casino account, using the same bonus more than once (by using it in another account) is considered bonus abuse.

"I've only made a few deposits, what kind of scam could this be?" - in this case, when the same bank card was used for deposits in more than one account (which itself makes the KYC impossible), which was certainly not only a coincidence, and the owner of the accounts used bonuses on both linked accounts, this person was not allowed to create another account at all nor play or claim the same bonuses. A breach of rules governing multiple accounts and bonus rules leads to the closure of all linked accounts.

"Why then was this match not detected by the system when I made deposits?" - it is usually checked upon verification or a withdrawal request. It means the casino does not know about data matches with other accounts earlier.

"What is the point of topping up an unknown account from my card, and then creating my own account and topping up with the same card?" - bonus abuse. It does not matter which account was created earlier/later, the casino's Terms and Conditions were breached in several ways.

After gathering all the necessary information, we are closing this complaint as unjustified due to breaching the casino's terms and conditions - there are reasonable grounds to believe we are talking about multiple accounts and bonus abuse, as well as using someone else's identity for this purpose, which, as was mentioned, makes the KYC impossible. Considering the circumstances and details, it would likely be impossible to prove otherwise.

The casino acted in accordance with its terms and conditions, which you accepted upon registration. You can connect with the casino customer support and try to at least ask for a refund of your last deposit, however, it is at its sole discretion if they refund any of your disputed funds.

If you are not satisfied with the complaint solution, I recommend you visit https://www.gc.gov.ua/ and try to search for ways how you can solve your issue.

In case of any questions, feel free to write to me at branislav.b@casino.guru.

Thank you very much, Pin-Up Casino team, for providing information and for your cooperation.

Best regards,

Branislav, Casino.Guru