Winscore Casino - 폐쇄 요청에도 불구하고 플레이어의 계정은 계속 열려 있습니다.

I have been contacting the casino several times since over half a year. I used the internal chat as well as wrote them 100s of mails. They either ignored me, or offered a bonus to keep me on their platform, or told me to contact another email address, which I did, but still then they continued to ignore my request. When they answered, it was because they wanted to know the reason for my request. This was just another cheap way of ignoring me, as I always mentioned in my emails that I suffer from gambling addiction and I need this account to be closed and never be able to reopen again. Every other online casino has so far immediately closed my account permanently and blocked me from creating new accounts. Only this casino has been refusing it until today. I have lost so much money since the day I asked them for the first time to close my account permanently... Maybe, I could have saved some money, if they did not mistreat their duty to ensure responsible gaming. I could not upload the documents because of the 5mb limit. I would be happy to provide the documents via email. I have 100s of emails available, where I contacted the casino's general support, customerassist, and customercare units. The 4500€ are just maybe 10% of the amount that I lost in the last 6 months since asking the casino first time to close my account permanently due to my gambling addiction.

Dear goku23,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with Winscore Casino.

Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can better understand the situation. 

• Is your player's account already closed?
• Have you requested a refund of your deposits already due to failed self-exclusion?
• When was the last time you deposited in the casino?
• Please note sending 100 emails is excessive. Instead, send me the key emails supporting your claims including the responses of the casino to my email at tomas@casino.guru
• If there are any screenshots, feel free to post them here.

I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.

Best regards,

Tomas

Hi Tomas,

Email with screenshots has been sent.

• Is your player account already closed? - It has been closed since Monday, November 4th, after I also threatened to report it to the authorities.
• Have you already requested a refund of your deposits due to a failed self-exclusion? - I have, several times, but it has not been addressed once and I have not received a response.
• When was the last time you deposited money at the casino? - Last Friday.

I still have several emails, but I think it should be enough if I only send them from August to today. The casino acts unscrupulously and exploits the players' addiction. First they offer a bonus, then you accept the offer and carry on playing. But then, if you don't accept the bonus offer either, after 1 or 2 weeks they ask me why I want to close. And that's despite the fact that I mentioned several times in the emails that it's because of gambling addiction. A few weeks later I get another reply telling me that I have to write to a different email address because this department is responsible for it. I've already done this several times over the past 6 months, but I haven't received any response. It's also very dubious that such important requests aren't forwarded internally. It's made almost impossible for the player to close the account permanently. After a while they offer a self-exclusion for 30 days, but you can immediately reverse this within 2 minutes in the chat. I hope that I will only get back a fraction of what I lost there. The €4500 is not even 10% of my losses since I informed the casino that I suffer from a gambling addiction.

Hi Tomas,

E-Mail mit Screenshots ist raus.

• Ist Ihr Spielerkonto bereits geschlossen? - Seit Montag, den 04. November ist es nun geschlossen, nachdem ich auch damit gedroht habe, dass ich den Behörden melden werde.
• Haben Sie aufgrund eines fehlgeschlagenen Selbstausschlusses bereits eine Rückerstattung Ihrer Einzahlungen beantragt? - Habe ich, mehrmals, jedoch wurde nicht einmal darauf eingegangen und ich habe keine Antwort erhalten.
• Wann haben Sie das letzte Mal im Casino eingezahlt? - Letzte Woche Freitag erst.

Ich habe deutlich mehrere E-Mails noch, aber, ich denke, es sollte auch reichen, wenn ich nur von August bis heute schicke. Das Casino agiert skrupellos und nutzt die Sucht der Spieler aus. Zunächst bieten sie einen Bonus, dann nimmt man das Angebot an und spielt weiter. Dann aber, wenn man auch das Bonusangebot nicht annimmt, wird nach 1 Woche oder 2 Wochen gefragt, warum ich schließen will. Und das, obwohl ich mehrmals auch in den E-Mails erwähnt habe, dass es wegen Spielsucht ist. Einige Wochen später kommt dann wieder eine Antwort, wo man mich darauf hinweist, dass ich eine andere E-Mail-Adresse anschreiben muss, da diese Abteilung dafür verantwortlich ist. Dies habe ich bereits seit über 6 Monaten mehrmals getan, jedoch kommt dann gar keine Antwort mehr. Ausserdem ist es auch sehr dubios, dass solche wichtige Anfragen nicht intern weitergeleitet werden. Es wird dem Spieler fast unmöglich gemacht, das Konto dauerhaft zu schließen. Nach einer Weile bieten sie eine Self-Exclusion an für 30 Tage, die man aber sofort innerhalb von 2 Minuten im Chat wieder rückgängig machen kann. Ich hoffe, dass ich nur einen Bruchteil von dem, was ich dort verloren habe, wieder zurückbekomme. Die 4500€ sind nicht einmal 10% meiner Verluste seitdem ich das Casino darauf hingewiesen habe, dass ich unter Spielsucht leide.

Thank you very much, goku23, for providing the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Kubo (jakub.m@casino.guru) who will be at your service. I wish you the best of luck and hope the problem will be resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.  

Dear goku23,

I'm Kubo, and I will be taking care of your complaint from now on. If there have been any new updates regarding this case since the last information provided, please let me know.

I would like to invite the Winscore Casino's representatives to join this discussion and provide any available information to help resolve this issue.

Dear Winscore Casino,

Could you kindly provide a detailed explanation of this case, including the reasons for the significant delay in processing the player's self-exclusion request? Additionally, how does the casino plan to resolve the situation with the player in light of this delay? Will any form of compensation be offered, and what steps are being taken to prevent similar delays from occurring in the future?

Thank you in advance for your response!

Best Regards,

Kubo

Dear Kubo, I wrote them two weeks ago and also my VIP manager Emma and asked them for compensation. Unfortunately, they didnt evrn react. Note, that I just sent you mails from September. I do also have over 50 mails going back to April and May. However, since a gambling company should at least close the account permanently within 1 week, I thought, it would be enough to show that they did not fulfil their duty to act as a responsible casino, when I also only send those mails from September... Also note that I have asked 3 other casinos to close my acxount due to my gambling addiction and all 3 have closed my accounts within a couple of hours...

Dear Kubo,

Please be advised that the player's self-exclusion request was on 01/11/2024. Our dedicated team reviewed it and his account was excluded on 05/11/2024 which is in accordance with out Terms & Conditions. It is worth mentioning that a technical time is required in order for his request to be processed. The player already received a confirmation as well.

Kind regards,

Winscore Casino

Dear Kubo,

I am not surprised about this atrocious answer of the casino... I sent your colleagues all the mails and answers of Winscore starting from mid August 2024 and yet they are still claiming they didnt act wrongly, in addition, they are pretending that I have never sent emails before... I uploaded some of the emails from August... I wrote to 3 different addresses, customercare, support, and customerassist. Also I was already a confirmed and verified customer, who had provided copy of passport, address verification, bank announcement before. I kindly request that you take out this casino from your promotion section and stop advertising them. They are clearly neglecting their duties of ensuring responsible gambling. Also, it looks like they are not willing to offer any compensation, let alone an excuse...

Dear Winscore Casino,

The player has provided multiple screenshots of his mailbox, which show emails sent as early as August 2024 requesting the closure of their account due to gambling issues. However, you have stated that the request was submitted in November.

Could you please clarify and explain this discrepancy?

Dear Kubo,

Please note that, as shown on the first screenshot provided by the player himself, he requested a Self-Exclusion due to gambling issues to the designated email address on 22/08/2024. Our relevant department responded to him on 26/08/2024 requesting some basic documents in order to proceed with his request, however the player refused to provide them, preventing us from moving forward and dealing with the request accordingly.

Additionally, as shown on the third screenshot provided by the player, in the email sent on 30/08/2024, he is mentioning that he is already a verified customer, which in this case is incorrect, as until that time, the player was not verified. As you are aware, it is standard practice to verify a player upon such requests since we need to be certain of the individual submitting the request, which is why we need documentation. 

Having said this, it is clear that we wanted to help and provide the needed assistance to the player, but due to the lack of cooperation, the whole process was delayed intentionally by him.

Kind regards,

Winscore Casino

Dear Casino Guru Team,

I had already uploaded my documents to the website shortly after opening the account and had myself verified. Nevertheless, I wonder why the casino is asking me for such private documents in order to close my account... However, as you can see from the screenshots, I ultimately sent a card confirmation from my bank 4 times to different email addresses. Among other things, it showed: my address, date of birth, name, IBAN, and the credit cards that are linked to this account. And yet the casino did not respond.

I have mentioned several times that I suffer from gambling addiction. I was ignored several times or persuaded to stay with free bets. As a gambling addict, you have no control over your gambling. There are times when you accept free bets or ask for them because you have the urge to gamble. This was often the case with me. However, the casino should have reacted immediately when I first asked for the account to be closed and justified it with gambling addiction. The casino lies and does not act responsibly. I finally sent the document to 4 different addresses and still nothing happened. The account was only closed 2-3 weeks after I reported it here. I expect consequences from you. Other players should be warned about this casino and you should stop advertising it. I will also report this casino to the gambling authorities if we cannot reach an agreement.

Liebes Casino Guru Team,

ich hatte bereits meine Dokumente damals kurz nach der Eröffnung des Kontos auf der Webseite hochgeladen und mich verifizieren lassen. Nichtsdestotrotz, frage ich mich, warum das Casino von mir solche privaten Dokumente fordert, um mein Konto zu schließen... Dennoch, wie Sie anhand der Screenshots sehen können, habe ich letztlich auch 4mal an unterschiedliche E-Mail-Adressen eine Kartenbestätigung von meiner Bank geschickt. Dort war unter anderem ersichtlich: Meine Anschrift, Geburtsdatum, Name, IBAN, und die Kreditkarten, die auf dieses Konto laufen. Und dennoch hat das Casino dann nicht reagiert.

Ich habe mehrmals erwähnt, dass ich unter Spielsucht leide. Mehrmals wurde ich ignoriert oder aber zum Verbleiben überredet mit Freiwetten. Als Spielsüchtiger hat man das Spielen nicht unter Kontrolle. Es gibt Momente, wo man dann Freiwetten akzeptiert oder danach fragt, weil man den Drang hat zum Zocken. Dies war bei mir auch oft der Fall. Jedoch hätte das Casino sofort reagieren müssen, als ich das erste Mal um eine Schließung des Kontos gebeten hatte und das mit Spielsucht begründet habe. Das Casino lügt und handelt nicht verantwortungsvoll. Ich habe letzlich auch das Dokument dann an 4 verschiedene Adressen geschickt und dennoch hat sich nichts getan. Erst 2-3 Wochen, nachdem ich mich hier gemeldet habe, wurde das Konto geschlossen. Ich erwarte von Ihnen Konsequenzen. Andere Spieler sollten gewarnt werden vor diesem Casino und Sie sollten keine Werbung mehr hierfür machen. Ich werde auch dieses Casino bei der Glücksspielbehörde melden, wenn wir uns nicht einigen sollten.

Btw. I still receive promo mails, even though I have unsubscribed from the mail traffic and marked them as spam..

Dear Winscore Casino,

After extensive discussions with experts in responsible gambling, it has become evident that self-exclusion policies must be improved to prioritize player protection more effectively. While verifying a player’s identity is crucial for regulatory compliance and policy integrity, the primary focus should always remain on safeguarding players from harm.

Casinos not only have the right but also the responsibility to act when players exhibit signs of gambling-related struggles. If a player raises concerns about their gambling behavior, casinos should promptly limit their access - even if the verification process is not yet fully completed. The very purpose of self-exclusion is to protect vulnerable players and prevent further harm, and delaying action undermines this goal.

To achieve this, casinos should implement clear and efficient processes that prioritize swift action and robust support for at-risk players. This goes beyond regulatory box-checking - it’s about fostering a culture of responsibility and demonstrating a genuine commitment to player safety. By prioritizing protection over administrative formalities, self-exclusion policies can fulfill their intended purpose: providing meaningful support and creating a safer gambling environment for all.

In light of this, I kindly urge you to reconsider your approach and assess the player’s eligibility for a refund of deposits made between the date the casino acknowledged the player’s request to close his account due to gambling issues and the date of the actual account closure. Allowing the player to deposit and lose additional funds while insisting on verification does not align with the principles of player protection. Casinos have the ability to restrict a player’s access to transactions during the verification process, and taking such proactive measures would better demonstrate a commitment to responsible gambling.

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I trust you will consider this request in the spirit of protecting players and fostering a safer gambling environment.

Dear Kubo, thank you very much for your support. I hope that the casino can compensate at least a bit of what I have lost. So far, nobody reached out to me. I have lost a fortune there and it would help me a lot cureently if I could get a compensation.

We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.

Dear Kubo,

Additional information has been forwarded to you. 

Kind regards.

Winscore Casino

Dear Kubo, to date no one has contacted me. I would also like to know why the casino contacted you and not me and what information was sent. I am happy to send you further evidence in the form of emails. LG

Lieber Kubo, bis heute hat sich weiterhin niemand bei mie gemeldet. Ich wüsste auch gerne, wieso das Casino Sie kontaktiert und nicht mich und was für Informationen übermittelt wurden. Ich kann gerne noch weitere Nachweise in Form von E-Mails zukommen lassen. LG

Dear goku23,

I’d like to inform you that communication with the casino representatives is still ongoing externally, as it is more appropriate to discuss specific details privately. Please rest assured that I remain committed to the stance I previously shared.

You will be updated as soon as any developments arise in the negotiations.

Thank you for your understanding and patience.

Hello Kubo,

Thank you very much. As I said, I sent the documents to 3 different addresses and still nothing came. I also find it remarkable how quickly other casinos react. I have written to several casinos in the last few days and weeks and asked for my account to be closed. I haven't been active with many of them for years anyway. Yesterday evening I wrote to a casino called Tikicasino and that same evening I received a reply and the account was closed. Only this casino delayed for so long with tricks like telling me to write to this address, then another bonus offer and then again asking for sensitive documents like credit card, ID etc... I must have deposited and lost over 6-8k euros there in the period from July/August to mid-September alone. I'm not demanding that they pay me everything back. But at least 2-3k would help me so much in my situation, as I'm in a really bad situation, including financially...

How long does this internal communication take and when would I be informed?

Best regards and Merry Christmas to the whole team

Hallo Kubo,

vielen lieben Dank. Wie gesagt, ich habe auch letzlich die Dokumente an 3 unterschiedliche Adressen geschickt und dennoch kam nichts. Ich finde es auch bemerkenswert, wie andere Casinos sehr schnell reagieren. Ich habe in den letzten Tagen und Wochen mehrere Casinos angeschrieben und um Accountschließung gebeten. Bei vielen ware ich ohnehin seit Jahren nicht mehr aktiv. Noch gestern Abend ein Casino angeschrieben namens Tikicasino und noch am selben Abend habe ich eine Antwort erhalten und das Konto wurde geschlossen. Nur dieses Casino hat es so lange gezögert mit Tricks wie, ich solle diese Adresse anschreiben, dann mal wieder Bonusangebot und dann mal wieder sensible Dokumente fordern wie Kreditkarte, Ausweis etc... Ich habe dort bestimmt alleine im Zeitraum von Juli/August bis mitte September über 6-8k Euro eingezahlt und verloren. Ich fordere auch nicht, dass man mir alles zurückzahlt. Zumindest aber mal 2-3k würde mir in meiner Situation so sehr weiterhelfen, da ich sehr angeschlagen bin, auch finanziell...

Wie lange dauert diese interne Kommunikation und wann würde ich denn Bescheid bekommen?

LG und frohe Weihnachten wünsche ich dem gesamten Team

We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.

Dear Kubo,

they still send me promotion emails and I can not unsubscribe, because they want you to be logged in, before you can unsuscribe... I wonder, when they will admit that they are not caring for players' mental health... I want them to be punished hard. They wont admit and still have offered nothing to compensate...

Dear Kubo,

Additional information has been forwarded to you. Thank you in advance!

Kind regards,

Winscore Casino

Dear Kubo,

I want us to come to a decision soon. The casino always delays everything on the very last day. I would like the casino to at least not appear here anymore and other users to be warned. They are not offering any compensation anyway and still believe they are in the right. Although my account has now been closed due to gambling addiction, I still receive promotional emails from Winscore.

Lieber Kubo,

ich möchte, dass wir langsam mal zu einer Entscheidung kommen. Das Casino verzögert immer am allerletzten Tag alles. Ich möchte, dass das Casino hier zumindest nicht mehr erscheint und andere Nutzer gewarnt werden. Eine Compensation bieten Sie ohnehin nicht an und sehen sich weiterhin im Recht. Obwohl mein Konto mittlerweile wegen Spielsucht geschlossen wurde, erhalte ich von Winscore immer noch Promotion-Emails.

Dear goku23,

I wanted to let you know that I am still awaiting the final decision from the casino. I completely understand your frustration with the delay, but the casino has requested more time to thoroughly review the situation. They are aware of our stance, and I remain hopeful for a positive outcome and a reasonable offer.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Dear Winscore Casino,

As per your request, I have extended the timer. However, given the length of time this complaint has been open, I kindly urge you to consider all the points raised in our detailed correspondence and expedite the decision process.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Thank you very much dear Kubo. I appreciate it a lot. Imagine, just from end of August 2024 until the time they finally closed my account, I have probably deposited over 12k€, which I lost all. Going back to April 2024, where I asked and told them that I have gambling issues first time, I have probably lost there at least over 30k... Thinking about my time there at all, I have probably lost there more than 60-70k... and they do not even offer just a slight percentage of that sum as a compensation, let alone apologize... Can you imagine this? Financial compensation besides, this casino still has not reached out to me personally and has at least apologized for their behavior... This says a lot about how much they care about their player's safety... no matter what they are telling you or showing you, the fact that even after 3 months, not even my former VIP manager reached out and apologized or asked me how I feel today, shows us that this casino is just lying and doesnt mean anything seriously and doesnt care about player's safety. I also had better experiences with other casinos. For example, Megapari back then reached out to me after almost half a year and has apologized and offered me a compensation back then and promised me that they have improved their internal policies and processes... This is how it should be done, when you mean everything seriously...

Dear Kubo,

thank you very much for your efforts. I really appreciate your support. Thr casino just reached out to me personally and has apologized, promised to improve their processes, and offered me a compensation of 4500€. I have accepted the apology and offer. Also thanks to Winscore for the email and offer. I will let you guys now, once the promised compensation has been paid out.

We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.

Dear kubo, the casino has sent me the compensation. Thanks for your effort. Case can be solved finally.

Dear goku23,

I'm glad to hear that your issue has been successfully resolved. I will proceed to mark the complaint as "resolved" in our system.

Thank you for your cooperation. Should you encounter any issues with this or any other casino in the future, please do not hesitate to contact our Complaint Resolution Center. We are here to help!

We hope you had a positive experience with our services. While we don't charge any fees or accept gratuities, your feedback is invaluable to us. We would greatly appreciate it if you could share your experience on Trustpilot (link here).

An honest review, along with any suggestions you may have for improving our complaint resolution and mediation process, would be immensely helpful. Your insights can guide others who might be seeking assistance with online casino-related issues.

Thank you in advance for taking the time to help us improve our services.

Best Regards,

Kubo