BetPlays Casino - 일반 토론 (8 페이지)

Hi, I guess I should start by saying that I'm sorry you're having problems in the casino, and from what I've seen it's mainly because the casino accused you of muliple accounts, and you also say that verification is difficult. 

I guess I would start by saying that I don't understand much about the other cases you are talking about and where you got the number you got. If you are talking about some of your own cases, then it is probably not on this account.

Also, I would not get ahead of myself, and there is no need to talk about how the casino or we are going to somehow make a decision on the basis of 'fabricated evidence' because I do not think that is necessary when the complaint has only just started. I also don't think casinos need to send any fabricated evidence about a player because I believe that our experts would recognize that and the casino would certainly not be able to deal with the whole situation. So let's let the case develop and whenever a complaint is somehow closed, the reason for it is clearly explained. 

However, directly to the problem, when the casino talks about multiple accounts, did they confiscate the money you had in this casino? Have you never played here or does anyone in your home or on the same IP address play here? That's the first thing I can think of that might be a problem if they gave you that reason. Of course, if you're not aware of anything like that, as I said, our team will try to help you out and see where we can get to. 

As far as KYC is concerned, did you go through the process successfully or not? If you say they overwrote your personal information, have you asked them how that's possible when they basically got it wrong? That certainly shouldn't be the case and I can imagine it will cause more problems than good, but if you've brought it to their attention and told them there's something wrong and their system doesn't have it right and you can't get it fixed, then I don't see any issue on your part.

But let's try to line up a complaint because I'm just an admin on the forum and Nick will handle it for now. I wish everything will turn out fair.

> They also say that the main reason is that the casinos claim multiple accounts, which makes it difficult to verify.

Is this a claim made by the casino?

> I'm not sure about the other cases you're talking about or where you got your numbers from. If you're talking about your own case, it's probably not about this account.

The number of consecutive rejected rulings in the complaints forum regarding Betplays.

> But to get right to the point, when the casino talks about multiple accounts, did they confiscate any money you had at this casino?

Yes, I play casinos, not sports betting, and they have confiscated my funds.

> Or is there anyone playing here in your house or on the same IP address?

They are not. Please review Betting Rule 3. and Rule 9. in the Terms and Conditions by using the following link

I am claiming these

However, they have avoided giving any specific explanations about it, and they have changed my old address without my permission in the automatic recognition for KYC.

My concern is that Betplays is sending fabricated evidence to the arbitrator.

They have not provided me with any direct physical evidence (which does not exist in the first place) and have only made one-sided statements.

As you can see in this discussion, many users have had their items confiscated.

I understand that arbitrators are well aware that sports betting is outside their area of expertise, but regardless of whether it is sports or casinos,

The problem is that there are far too many confiscations on this site.

The claims forum has seen 28 consecutive rejections.

Looking at this series of rulings from a bird's-eye view, it is clear that the casinos are concerned about malicious users.

Is this a continuous phenomenon? (It is an international casino, and it does not seem to be concentrated in a particular country.)

I find this very suspicious, and I wonder if Jaro doesn't suspect this?

I would like you to think beyond the assumption that the casino will not cheat.

I suspect that Betplays has sent, and will continue to send, maliciously fabricated evidence to the arbitrators.

＞カジノ側が複数のアカウントを主張していることが主な原因であり、確認が難しいともおっしゃっています。

カジノ側がこのような主張をされているのですか？

＞あなたが話している他の事例について、またあなたが得た数字がどこから得たものなのか、私にはよく分からないということです。もしあなたが自分の事例について話しているのであれば、それはおそらくこのアカウントに関するものではないでしょう

Betplaysに関するクレームフォーラムの連続した却下された裁定の件数です。

＞しかし、問題に直接関わるのですが、カジノ側が複数のアカウントについて話しているとき、彼らはあなたがこのカジノで持っていたお金を没収したのでしょうか

はい。私はスポーツ賭博ではなくカジノをプレイして、彼らにより資金の没収を受けています。

＞それともあなたの家や同じ IP アドレスでここでプレイしている人はいますか？

いません。彼らは利用規約のPlease review Betting Rule 3. and Rule 9. by using the following link

これらを主張しております

しかし、彼らはそれに関する具体的な説明を避けておりますし、KYCに関する自動認識での、私の古い住所を勝手に書き換えるという行いをしております。

私が懸念しているのはBetplays側が捏造した証拠を裁定者に送り付ける行為です。

彼らは私に直接的な物証を提供せず(そもそも存在しない)、一方的な発言だけをしています。

こちらのディスカッションでも、多くのユーザーが没収措置をうけています。

裁定者はスポーツ賭博は専門外といいう周知をしているのは承知しておりますが、スポーツ、カジノを問わず

このサイトでは余りにも没収措置が多いという点です。

クレームフォーラムの方では28件連続した却下が続いております。

この連続した裁定数を俯瞰的に見た場合に、カジノ側が懸念している悪質なユーザーというのがそれほどまでに

連続して紛れ込むものなのか？(国際カジノであり、特定国に偏っているわけでもなさそうです)

この点が非常に怪しいと思っていますし、Jaro氏はこれに疑いをもたれないのでしょうか？

カジノ側が不正をしないという前提を捨てて考えていただきたい。

私はBetplays側は悪意を以て捏造した証拠を過去も、これからも裁定者に送り続けるだろうという推察をします。

Since my complaint information has been disclosed, I think that will be the main focus.

However, I would like to urge them to openly debate the fabricated evidence they provide.

If Betplays is not doing this with any malicious intent, it is a crude detection of IP addresses.

I think this is the limit.

This casino site is not particularly well known in Japan at the moment, and I can't imagine that anyone even plays on it in the area where I live.

Since the date circled in red, Betplays' claims have been accepted in 28 consecutive cases, and I wonder if such malicious users have been allowed to sneak in so many times.

We also encourage you to check out our 27 review forums.

The positive reviews listed here are from two novice users in the past year. I myself am a novice user, and the CasinoGuru system is a system that gives a certain evaluation value to the player's activity record.

The ratings given by these players are negative.

I can't help but feel that the ratings on this site are too biased.



私のクレーム情報が開示されたのでそちらがメインで行われることになると思います。

しかし、私が主張したいのは彼らが提供する捏造された証拠をオープンにして議論していただきたい。

Betplays側が万が一にも悪意をもってやってないというのならば、それはIPアドレスの大雑把な検知

これに限ると私は思っています。

日本国内でこちらのカジノサイトは現時点で有名どころではなく、私が住んでいるエリア内ですらプレイしている人がいるとは到底考えられません。

赤い四角で囲った日付以降、28件連続してBetplays側の主張が通っており、連続してここまで悪質なユーザーが紛れ込むものか？というのが私の思いです。

また、27件あるレビューフォーラムを皆さんにも確認していただきたい。

こちらに記載してある肯定的な意見は過去1年において、ノービスユーザーが2名です。私自身、ノービスのユーザーですが、カジノグルのシステムはプレイヤーの活動実績にはある種、一定の評価値を与えているシステムです。

それらのプレイヤーが与える評価値はネガティブです。

このサイトの評価値は余りにも偏りが見える気がしてなりません。



About the first question, I just summarized what is the main problem according to your post, so I concluded whether the casino said that based on what you wrote before.

As for rejected complaints, I understand, I had a feeling that you were only talking about your own, so now it's clear to me.

Since your money was confiscated, I am very curious how the case will proceed. What will be important in it will be mainly on the basis of what it really was and whether they will be able to explain and prove that it is multiple accounts as you mentioned.

As far as the evidence is concerned, the casinos usually do not provide it to the players and when they give them a reason for the violation it is often general, so that they can protect themselves and the players don't circumvent it. 

Unfortunately when you talk about sports betting we can't help with that and that's why these complaints are rejected, but at least I always try to assist and give the players links where they could also file a complaint and maybe they could help them there.

Also, whether this is a continuing phenomenon is hard to say, some casinos might do it on purpose and not tell the player anything, just block the account and don't even communicate with us. I have seen this casino trying to address complaints as well, so we will see what happens in your case.

However, I don't want to predict what BetPlays will send and we'd better wait for it. It always has to be clear why the player's money was taken and whether he broke their rules. If they send anything "fabricated" then they could have more problems than benefits, because their reputation with the players would decrease a lot in my opinion.

The safety index doesn't include the user reviews you're talking about, those are gaming experiences and believe me, we're too careful about what we approve and reject. There is a process behind it and we try to do it as best as we can.

From what I've seen, the casino is more focused on Europe, even according to our review, and they don't seem to have a lot of players in Asia.

As for the other complaints, trust me, every single one of them is handled in detail by our team and we don't reject anything on the basis of feelings or anything like that, but on the basis of facts. 

We will see how it will be in your case.

Dear Casino Guru

You have given this scam casino a safety score that has no connection with reality in any way! I have sent you a complaint which you refuse to accept. A complaint based on the fact that Betplays opened my account without my asking them to do so - mind you an account that I had closed due to my gambling addiction for Casinogames. After they had opened the account they were kind enough to send me an email to tell me that my CLOSED account had now been opened - and that it was a normal procedure.

I have sent you all the evidence, yet you refuse to accept it. You justify it by saying that I cannot prove that they knew that my account was closed due to gambling addiction. This despite the fact that I forwarded emails from Betplays in which they admit to having made a mistake, but that they did not intend to pay back the amount that I subsequently lost. 

I simply do not understand why you do not want to help in such a case - and I do NOT understand AT ALL that you have given this site a high safety rating! 

When casinos like Betplays suddenly start opening accounts belonging to gambling addicts without the gambling addict asking for it, there is NO WAY such a casino should have a rating anywhere near HIGH. You should know that! 

Sorry for my harsh language in this message, but I simply do not understand your way of glorifying this casino.

We're really sorry about this whole situation, but unfortunately our team has to reject your complaint as per insufficient evidence.

Veronika nicely and clearly wrote:

"I'm sorry, but it's not sufficient to simply state that you want to permanently close your account. You need to clearly explain the reason; otherwise, we won't have a solid basis for our discussions with the casino.

Unfortunately, without further evidence, we are forced to close this complaint. Thank you for your understanding. I am sorry we could not be of more help on this occasion. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you run into any issues with this or any other casino in the future."

Unfortunately, we are not able to do more in this case.